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Rod
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Re: The weakness of Just Basic & Liberty Basic!
« Reply #3 on: Jan 29th, 2018, 7:07pm » |
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Keyboard control? What about mouse, touch and joystick?
The keyboard was never designed to control games.
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Richard Russell
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Re: The weakness of Just Basic & Liberty Basic!
« Reply #4 on: Jan 29th, 2018, 8:40pm » |
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on Jan 29th, 2018, 7:07pm, Rod wrote:| The keyboard was never designed to control games. |
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I think you'll find that the keyboard is the preferred interface for many video games. When porting David Williams' prizewinning 'Forces of Darkness' to Android I added touch control, but the game was difficult to play that way.
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kigohhere
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Re: The weakness of Just Basic & Liberty Basic!
« Reply #5 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 01:51am » |
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on Jan 29th, 2018, 7:07pm, Rod wrote:Keyboard control? What about mouse, touch and joystick?
The keyboard was never designed to control games. |
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Ha...mouse, touch and joystick, thanks for your suggestions.
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kigohhere
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Re: The weakness of Just Basic & Liberty Basic!
« Reply #6 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 01:55am » |
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on Jan 29th, 2018, 05:48am, tsh73 wrote:kigohhere, hello.
LB/ JB is "hobbist" language. So there are fiewer folks go "hard" road.
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Ok. thank you. I see.
Quote:Reading key is easy in jb/lb - but reading key without initial delay is harder. It requires Windows API call.
Why?
basically because Windows was designed with business/text processing in mind, not games and multimedia. (I could be somewhat wrong about that).
But you can do it via Windws API. It is a bit harder for LB, and for JB is plain impossible (just because JB is free stripped-down version).
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Thanks for your detailed explanation.
Windows Api call should be a complicated thing for me.
Quote:Now, again, if one wants more, it could go further with LB/LBB by using API calls (there is even open GL/ direct 3d examples)
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ok, API calls, ..I understand now, thanks.
Quote:If tool doesn't suit you - go ahead and try another one.
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Since both LB Booster and Just Basic are freewares, I downloaded them and looked into them. I also look into other free language softwares. I am also a gamer. Searching for good games made with these language softwares is actually my interest.
Just Basic is still a good software!
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kigohhere
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Re: The weakness of Just Basic & Liberty Basic!
« Reply #7 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 01:56am » |
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on Jan 29th, 2018, 08:41am, Richard Russell wrote:I would say it's rare for these limitations to be serious in practice. I've seen many acceptable animated games written in LB and JB. However you are probably right in suggesting that they aren't the best choice of language for certain genres of game.
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Both languages are suitable for puzzle game, card game, chess game, etc. but not suitable for action game, platform game, shooting game, etc.
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Re: The weakness of Just Basic & Liberty Basic!
« Reply #8 on: Jan 30th, 2018, 02:01am » |
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on Jan 29th, 2018, 08:41am, Richard Russell wrote:There are probably two main factors at play here:
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Thanks for your detailed explanation. Screen tearing and front/back buffers!
Though LB and JB are general purpose languages, there are "Games and Graphics" sub-forums in the LB forum and the JB forum. Their users also frequently list their game examples and games in the sub-forums. There should be a group of users being interested in using LB and JB to write games and game examples. Moreover, both LB and JB have very long histories. (1992 and 2004, from Wikipedia) No LB or JB user gives suggestion to the author to solve the keyboard problem and graphic flickering problem? Strange. Actually, many general purpose
BASIC dialects are suitable for game programming nowadays.
Quote:| I have discussed previously the prospect of creating a 'cross-platform' version of LBB based on SDL. However there is a major problem which makes it much more difficult than it was with BBC BASIC: Liberty BASIC's GUI features, which are simply 'thin wrappers' around the Windows API. |
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BBC for SDL are on five platforms, I think that Android platform and Windows platform are more important than the other three platforms because much much more users are using these two platforms....sure!
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