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OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by Richard Russell on Oct 11th, 2016, 9:17pm

I was reading an interesting thread on debugging at the LB Community Forum and tried to follow a link to the 'tips' board that Anatoly posted. But all I get is the sadly only too familiar: "An error has occurred! You are not allowed to access this board". sad

The description of the 'tips' board at the home page is "Share your favorite tips and information here" which doesn't sound as though it would contain anything particularly confidential. Indeed, blocking the very place where one is invited to "share" information seems perverse!

Richard.
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by RobM on Oct 11th, 2016, 10:08pm

I seem to remember Alyce mentioning once that certain areas are only open to forum members to encourage people to join the forum, not because they contain any secret info.
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by Richard Russell on Oct 11th, 2016, 10:32pm

on Oct 11th, 2016, 10:08pm, RobM wrote:
I seem to remember Alyce mentioning once that certain areas are only open to forum members to encourage people to join the forum, not because they contain any secret info.

I suppose that's fair enough - except to people who are banned from joining the forum! Alyce 'graciously' allowed me to read the forum - having not even been permitted to do that for a long time - but joining it is beyond the pale. cry

Richard.
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by joker on Oct 12th, 2016, 01:22am

on Oct 11th, 2016, 10:08pm, RobM wrote:
... encourage people to join the forum ...


I've heard this kind of 'bassackwards' logic in other failing places, too. Why would I join a separate forum to see what I can't see? I'm more likely to respond to a carrot than a key! cheesy

These kind of sanctions are usually put in place by folks on ego trips. Just sayin'.
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by Jack Kelly on Oct 12th, 2016, 12:14pm

I'm pleased, Richard, that you're following my Debugging Techniques thread on the LB Forum. I'm having a lot of fun writing the article. When it's finished I'd like to post it on the LBB Technical Wiki in addition to the LBPE, with your approval of course.

No one could be sorrier than me that you are still locked out. It is my hope to see you fully reinstated, but I don't know how to help make that happen. I'll keep trying different approaches, though, and hope something works.

Jack
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by Richard Russell on Oct 12th, 2016, 1:57pm

on Oct 12th, 2016, 12:14pm, Jack Kelly wrote:
No one could be sorrier than me that you are still locked out. It is my hope to see you fully reinstated, but I don't know how to help make that happen. I'll keep trying different approaches, though, and hope something works.

It seems to me that the boards currently blocked to non-members ('Suggestions and Discussions About This Forum', 'API/DLL', 'Tips and Information', 'Contests', 'Liberty BASIC 5', 'Liberty BASIC 4.5 Testing and Bug Reports' and 'Liberty BASIC Wishlist') could simply be opened up. That would allow me to read them whilst still stopping me posting, which is presumably the primary objective.

I would say restricting just a few of the boards to members achieves very little because (unless, like me, you're banned) anybody who wants to read them can simply join the forum in order to do so.

Richard.
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by tsh73 on Oct 12th, 2016, 2:29pm

I would repost that thing here.
But I modified the code a bit - added textbox
Now I see that writing to control with same "name.extension" name does write to last added, in JB and LBB. But why last added texteditor goes below, while last added textbox goes up in z-order?
-- original post, modified code --
(It was a hard to find bug in a program)
Problem:
Texteditor doesn't work programmatically
That is, you see Texteditor on a form
Then program runs, you can type/select/copy/paste there
But all operations on a textbox from a program - printing or !cls - does not make any visible effect
Does not ring any errors either.

Cause:
(due to convoluted program execution path involving GOTOs and GOSUBs) it happens that line defining texteditor
TEXTEDITOR #handle.ext, xpos, ypos, wide, high
got executed twice.
It resulted in creating TWO texteditors, one above other
And all programmatical activity went to below one.

Example:

Code:
nomainwin

    WindowWidth = 416
    WindowHeight = 215

    UpperLeftX=int((DisplayWidth-WindowWidth)/2)
    UpperLeftY=int((DisplayHeight-WindowHeight)/2)

    textbox #main.textbox1, 260, 66, 150, 25
    textbox #main.textbox1, 260-10, 66-10, 150, 25    'last one moved to up-left

    texteditor #main.texteditor1, 26, 16, 216, 120
    'texteditor #main.texteditor1, 26, 16, 216, 120 'uncomment this line - and see texteditor stops working
        'last one moved to up-left
    texteditor #main.texteditor1, 26-10, 16-10, 216, 120  'Now I moved it up - and I see text prints in this control
        'which for some reasom ends up UNDER (Z-order) first one
    button #main.button2, "Button Caption", [button2Click], UL, 270, 16, 122, 25
    menu #main, "Edit"    '<--- Texteditor Menu can be moved but not removed.

    open "Overlaid texteditor (by doubling)" for window as #main
    print #main, "trapclose [quit.main]"

    wait

[quit.main]
    Close #main
    END


[button2Click]
     #main.texteditor1 time$()
     #main.textbox1 time$()
    wait
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by tsh73 on Oct 12th, 2016, 2:32pm

Quote:
... anybody who wants to read them can simply join the forum in order to do so.

That was kinda the plan.
And you just said
Quote:
I suppose that's fair enough

(did I miss something?)
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by Richard Russell on Oct 12th, 2016, 3:25pm

on Oct 12th, 2016, 2:32pm, tsh73 wrote:
(did I miss something?)

Yes, you missed what immediately followed: "except to people who are banned from joining the forum!"!

If you are unconcerned about the unfairness and inconvenience to me (and to anybody else who is banned) then the current arrangement can indeed be justified on the grounds of it acting as an incentive to join.

Richard.
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by AAW on Oct 12th, 2016, 5:58pm

I believed that all boards were changed to be open for public reading quite a while ago. I was unaware that the tips board was hidden to the public. It was an oversight that has now been corrected.

The persons to contact regarding such things are Carl, Chris or me. If there is such a question in the future, please simply contact one of us.

Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by RobM on Oct 12th, 2016, 6:03pm

LIKE
Re: OT: Why is the LB forum 'tips' board blocked?
Post by Richard Russell on Oct 12th, 2016, 6:37pm

on Oct 12th, 2016, 5:58pm, AAW wrote:
It was an oversight that has now been corrected.

That is much appreciated, thank you.

Quote:
The persons to contact regarding such things are Carl, Chris or me. If there is such a question in the future, please simply contact one of us.

I think you will understand why there is a reluctance on my part to contact you directly.

Richard.